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missiles. "the post" quoting the u.s. intelligence community as saesisae assessing that north korea has produced nuclear weapons for ballistic missile delivery. we're going to have continuing coverage of all of these late-breaking developments out of north korea. for our international viewers, "amanpour" is next. for our viewers in north korea, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we're going to continue that breaking news coverage here out of north korea, this potential game-changer in the world standoff over north korea's nuclear weapons. "the washington post" is now reporting that north korea has produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles. essentially, a nuke small enough to be strapped to an intercontinental ballistic missile or an icbm, that final
frontier in kim jong un's missile program that nuclear experts have been fearing for years. so, let's begin with ryan brown, who's live at the pentagon for us on this. and so, i mean, as you well know, north korea has been escalating threats to hit the u.s. mainland, so if this "washington post," ryan, if this post report proves to be true how much more dangerous did north korea just become? >> reporter: well, a lot more dangerous. again, there are still some things that would need to be assessed here. this "washington post" report citing a defense intelligence agency assessment that north korea has the ability to miniaturize these weapons on to missiles, but again, there are a couple other capabilities that might need to be developed in order for them to successfully launch an icbm against the united states. one would be the ability to target, a targeting system. is that -- have they refined that capability yet? the other is reentry, can the missile with the warhead intact reenter the earth's atmosphere in one piece as it approaches a
target. these are other things that need to be worked out, but again, a major development, if this assessment is accurate, this is a major advancement in the north korea nuclear weapons program. again, "the post" story noting that it's unclear if these smaller warheads have been tested yet, but still a concerning development. and again, this is something that military planners here in the united states, including chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, has said the military has long worked under the assumption that north korea has this capability in its planning and preparation of missile defense, things of that nature, so they've worked under that assumption but this is kind of the first assessment that really says that north korea now has this capability. >> all right. ryan, stand by. i want to bring in lisa, cnn global affairs correspondent and tom. tom has 25 years of experience in nuclear weapons, missile defense, nonproliferation issues and he's also policy director at the plow shares fund, a foundation working to prevent the spread and use of weapons in war. so, welcome to both of you. and tom, just first to you, your
reaction to this report that kim jong un's regime has crossed this major, major threshold, reportedly. >> i think the most dangerous thing about the situation right now is you have two unexperienced, bombastic leaders that are now pointing nuclear weapons at each other. it's a dangerous situation. it's a very unstable situation that could quickly stumble into catastrophe. you know, mistakes, misidentification of cues, again, neither one of these leaders have much experience doing this, so the first thing we need to do is try to sit down, get these two leaders to sit down, the two sides to sit down, and start talking. how are we going to defuse this situation? how are we going to bring some stability to this very unstable situation so that we don't stumble into war. that's the primary thing we have to do right now. >> and elise, just, you know, coming off of tom's point, i mean, you were making a point a moment ago on tv about otto warmbier, who sadly died, but clearly there was a conversation
about getting him home from north korea, some sort of back channel between the u.s. and north korea. we know secretary tillerson did recently say that the conversation with the foreign minister would be on the table. how imminent could that be? >> i don't think we're talking about, you know, imminent in the next, you know, days or weeks, brooke, but certainly secretary tillerson is trying to lay the groundwork, sending a pretty not-so-subtle message to the north koreans, we're ready to talk, send us a signal, a positive sign. i just want to say about tom's point about, you know, the leaders. i mean, certainly, on kim jong un, he's known as erratic. he's known as unpredictable, but i don't think that u.s. officials are going on the assumption that he's crazy. i mean, certainly, he could be irrational, but i think that there's a belief that this leader knows that if he were to launch a nuclear weapon, that that would spell the end of his regime and everything about this regime is about regime survival.
so, clearly, the u.s. has to be ready. it has to have its defenses up. it has to have some kind of deterrent against north korea, and as ryan said, the u.s. has been working on the assumption that if north korea isn't there right now with miniaturizing and having all the ingredients to assemble and launch and test a nuclear weapon, that they're there. that they're going to be there soon. but certainly, i think that the u.s. wants to have a diplomatic solution. it's putting out the signals that it would like to have that. and i don't think they think that this is a crazy leader who they don't think that they can talk to. >> well, on the crazy leader note, and tom, let me pose this to you. i was listening to colonel francona a moment ago, pose the question, is kim jong un suicidal, homicidal, or rational? how would you answer that? >> he is not suicidal. the kim regime has survived for decades. if there's anything they care about, it is self-preservation. they are not suicidal.
they know very well -- i agree, they know very well that if they attack the united states, they will be attacked in response, and north korea will be toast. quite frankly. so, they realize that, and so we don't need to panic here. i mean, just because north korea has this threatening capability, does not mean they will use it. there is time to sit down with north korea and talk with them and bring some stability to this otherwise dangerous situation. >> so, i hear both of you guys saying, talking. talking needs to be on the table. but elise, how fast does this timetable need to move up on the talk if anything this reportis true? >> i think, brooke, what you have right now that you might have not had during the obama administration is this kind of credible threat of using force against north korea. we're hearing, you know, we've heard about it over the years. but you've seen president trump with syria, that he was prepared to use military force. i think that now, when the u.s. says -- when nikki haley says or
when h.r. mcmaster talks about military action, that's not to say that the u.s. is going to go ahead and do that, but i think in kim jong un's mind, he looks around and says, it's possible that president trump would launch some kind of military action. he just doesn't know. i mean, president obama, a lot of times, would talk tough and then wouldn't take any kind of robust action. and so i think that there is a desire to talk. i think they need to do it sooner rather than later. i agree that there is some time, and that what we should -- i don't think our viewers should panic that north korea is about to launch a nuclear weapon that could hit the continental united states, but just the fact that they have that capability makes them that much more important and dangerous of an adversary and it's going to bring a lot more to get them to a table and get them to have some kind of deal. >> so, last question. if the capability is there, tom,
what would provoke north korea to use one of these missiles? ever? >> if the united states were to panic and launch some sort of preemptive strike, then there's no telling what north korea could do, either to south korea or to japan or to the united states. so, again, we don't want to panic. we don't want to stumble into a response that would be counterproductive. we don't want to make a mistake here, and the danger is that neither leadership is very experienced with these very high-tension stressful situations, so we need to get on the same wavelength. the united states needs to talk to north korea and say, if you do this, it means this. we know if you do this, it means this. so we need to have better understanding about where the red lines are and to establish firmly that if north korea attacks us, it would be the end of their regime. i think they know that. but it would be nice to confirm it so that we don't have to worry about a surprise attack. >> right.
tom and elise, thank you. there is an interesting twist here also on north korea today. keep in mind, if there is one thing president trump despises, it's leaks and anonymous sources. since taking office, he has said multiple times that he wants leakers thrown in prison. so, the question i'm asking today, then, is why did the president just retweet this fox news report, a report that cites anonymous intelligence officials? the report, which cnn has now confirmed, says that spy agencies have detected north korea loading missiles on a patrol boat. but remember here, one of the president's tweets from back in may read like this. "whenever you see the words, sources say in fake news media, and they don't mention names, it is very possible that those sources don't exist but are made up by fake news writers. #fake news is the enemy." also worth noting here, just a couple hours after the president retweeted this fox news report citing these anonymous intelligence sources, the u.n.
ambassador, in this canikki hal appeared on fox news and condemned the fact that classified information was leaked in the report. >> i can't talk about anything that's classified and if that's in the newspaper, that's a shame. it's incredibly dangerous when things get out into the press like that. you're not only just getting a scoop on something. you're playing with people's lives. >> with me now, asha, cnn legal and national security analyst and also associate dean at yale law school. nice to see you. this is from the president from february. he wrote, "the real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of washington? will these leaks be happening as i deal on north korea, etc. " ". slamming anonymous sources, fake news, yet retweeting a report that is based on classified sourced information. >> well, brooke, technically, he
can have it both ways in the sense that when the president leaks classified information, it's not illegal. we've heard this, and i call it the nanny nanny boo boo defense. it doesn't make it any less dangerous. so, we've seen both with the retweet this morning, giving information to the russian foreign minister about a source, which may have put that source in danger. >> but it's hypocritical. >> it's hypocritical, for sure. and it is, again, i think that most of what the president seems to criticize is actually gossip, not necessarily leaks, which is about classified information and what he's doing is potentially more dangerous to our national security than many of the things that he criticizes as being illegal leaks. >> just the fact that he retweeted it, which is -- >> absolutely. >> totally opposite. >> and what nikki haley said. >> so, we heard from nikki haley condemning the very report that the president retweeted. from an intel perspective, what
kind of challenges does this sort of thing pose when you have the president and his diplomats out there openly contradicting one another. >> in a situation like this that is so delicate and that is potentially escalating, you have a number of different levels operating at the same time, a military defensive strategy, a diplomatic strategy, the economic strategy that our world community has bought into, and when these tweets enter the picture, the effect of them is very unknown, and it doesn't really fit into this idea of a carefully crafted approach that right now, as you just heard from your two experts, is really about trying to push this diplomatic avenue, one-on-one conversations, tweets that go out to millions of people that could unravel that really undermine, i think, what should otherwise be a very coherent policy. >> so, at the moment, north
korea, this is the above the fold story right now and i just wanted to show everyone what the president just tweeted. let's all read this together. "e-mails show that the amazon "washington post" and the failing "new york times" were reluctant to cover the clinton/lynch secret meeting in plane." he just tweeted that right now? okay. 11:00 a.m., august 8. so, that is what he's tweeting about this morning. right now, i'm being told. right now. >> you know, but the e-mails is, you know, always the fallback, i guess. >> that's what he's choosing to focus on. >> yes. and you know, this is like someone who just can't stop talking about their ex two years later. that's not what the issue is right now. >> here's another one. "after 200 days rarely has any administration achieved what we have achieved, not even close, don't believe the fake news suppression polls." alluding to the new polls that are out, you know, that are saying three fourths of america
don't trust what is coming out of the white house. again, this is what the president is choosing to focus on. nuclearized warhead, icbm, and this. >> it's troubling, and i think, brooke, what this goes to is, who does he think his audience is, and constantly, i believe that his audience for him that matters is his base. >> but he's losing. if you believe the polls, you know, the polls are indicating even his own base is on the decline. >> it might -- i mean, he's getting, i guess,russian bots telling him that he's doing a great job. but he's undermined his own legal strategy through tweets. it may be that he's simply not attuned to the broader implications of what he does when he's tweeting, because he really cares about one audience. >> listen, a lot of americans really still support him. i sat around a new jersey diner last week with six trump supporters that had wonderful things to say about the president but i asked them about the tweets and most of them
agreed that they don't love how he's choosing to communicate in 140 characters or less. more on the breaking news out of north korea today. also, as we just mentioned with regard to these new poll numbers out, 3/4 of americans do not believe a word that is coming out of the white house, and the president, they don't really trust him either. these damning new poll numbers, we have them for you. also ahead, he's called it a hoax and he said he doesn't believe in it. now, government scientists are apparently leaking their climate change report, because they fear the administration might suppress it, might change it, might not acknowledge it. we have to talk about that. coming up. you're watching cnn. this is joanne.
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produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles. essentially, this is a nuke small enough to be strapped to an icbm. as this news is breaking, i want to show you what the president is tweeting about. about cnn's polls. here's why he doesn't like what the polls found. they show that support for president trump is weakening. and by the way, this is significant because it's not just in his party but in the key demographic credited for helping him win the white house. white voters with no college education. just as troubling here, the bigger picture, the polls paint about how americans overall view their president, a vast majority of those surveyed do not trust all of what they hear in official communications from the white house, and the president just received the lowest job approval ever given since the poll has been conducted. let me bring in our polls guru of the moment, cnn senior political analyst mark preston
and so, i mean, the biggie is that the 75% number, right? three fourts hs of americans ju don't trust a darn thing coming out of the white house. >> terrible news for president trump, 200 days in, he's making history, though. no question about that. let's look at his overall approval rating right now. 38%. as you had mentioned, brooke, this is the lowest ever in modern polling. and when we go all the way back and we look at what happened after six months, going back to john f. kennedy, look where donald trump is on that line right now. 38%. less than four in ten approve of how the president is conducting himself right now. what's interesting, though, is that bill clinton right there at 44%, both of them in their first year, were trying to get health care done, a very, very difficult topic. but we talk about why he is losing support. it's not from democrats. democrats never supported him. he's having problems with his own party right now. there is a 14-point drop in
strongly approving president trump amongst republicans from february, basically when he was sworn into office, to where we are now. and as we go down, you talked about the also important trust factor. look at that right now. one in four americans, only one many four americans trust most of what they hear coming out of the white house. more than seven in ten americans don't trust it at all so specifically when you're dealing with big issues whether it be tax cuts, health care, infrastructure spending, domestically, that is a big issue. going on to tweets, where he does all or it seems most of his communicating with his base, right now, trump's tweets are a risky way to communicate. more than seven in ten americans believe that, brooke. i know that he likes to say that this is how he communicates, but if you look at these numbers right now, clearly the american people don't think it's effective and i do want to add one more number in we don't have up here. that number is on foreign policy, how is he doing when it comes to foreign affairs.
only 35% of americans approve of how he's doing. i bring that number up given the news in the last hour of north korea. >> so, on north korea, i mean, what do you make of the fact, again, the president refers to these polls as the fake news suppression polls. what do you make of the fact that he's tweeting about that in the middle of the breaking north korea news. >> let's assume that these poll numbers were really good, i'm sure we'd hear from the president saying, what great poll numbers coming out of the cnn, because we've seen in the past. the fact of the matter is, president trump, from a lot of americans, believe that he needs to be focused on the major issues that are affecting us right now and as we stand at this moment, north korea is at the top of the list. >> mark, thank you. thank you very much. just as the president's credibility is under deepening scrutiny, cnn is now learning about this administration attempt to suppress the way officials talk about climate change. in an e-mail obtained by cnn, the president's department of agriculture advised staff members to avoid using the
phrase ""claimaimate change". this is coming on the same day that 13 federal agencies are contradicting the trump administration's stance on climate change. "the new york times" cites a draft report that states, "many lines of evidence demonstrate that human activities, especially emissions of gases, are primarily responsible for recent observed climate change." punctuating this stunning report, one scientist says he leaked it to "the new york times" because he was sirmply afraid the trump administration would change it. whether or not trump believes climate change is real, though, the white house isn't entirely clear on that issue. >> does the president still believe that climate change is a hoax. >> i think you'll hear more today about the climate and what he believes. he does not believe that, as i mentioned at the outset, that you -- that there is a binary choice between job creation,
economic growth, and caring about the environment. i've not asked the president since the last time we spoke about this. >> yes or no, does the president believe that climate change is real, and a threat to the united states. >> you know what's interesting about all the discussions we had, the focus remained on whether paris put us at a disadvantage, and in fact, it did. >> does the president believe today that climate change is a hoax. >> is paris good or bad for this country? the president and i focused our attentions there. >> does he still believe it's a hoax. >> i have not had an opportunity to have that discussion. >> okay. so, they've tried getting an answer on that there in the white house briefing room. we do have some idea as to what then private citizen donald trump thought about global warming and as a candidate. let me read some of this for you here. 2012, he wrote, the concept of global warming was created by and for the chinese in order to make u.s. manufacturing noncompetitive. okay. a year later, he writes, "it's freezing outside. where the hell is global
warming." 2015, he writes, "i believe in clean air, immaculate air, but i don't believe in climate change." and then 2016, "i'm not supposed to be using hairspray. obama's always talking about the global warming, that global warming is our biggest and most dangerous problem, okay?" we invoite you to come on and just tell us straight up, do you believe or do you not that climate change is real? coming up next, more on our breaking news. reports that north korea now has the ability to fit nuclear war heads inside of its intercontinental ballistic missiles. new cnn reporting moments away. fresh and nutritious. so there are no artificial colors, no artificial flavors, no artificial preservatives in any of the food we sell. we believe in real food. whole foods market.
national security correspondent, jim sciutto who has some reporting on this. >> reporter: multiple officials tell myself and my colleague barbara starr that u.s. intelligence has assessed though not formally concluded that north korea today possesses the capability to miniaturize a nuclear warhead, put it atop an intercontinental ballistic missile. now, to be clear, this is not yet a consensus intelligence community view. that is one thing. it is also the view of the u.s. intelligence community that this remains an untested capability. and of course testing is key to be able to get that reentry vehicle back into the atmosphere after launching a missile with this range. that said, this is part of consistent progress that north korea has been making over the last several months and years in this direction. one person briefed on the intelligence telling me that the question of when, not if, north korea will get this capability and test this capability. keep in mind as well that the u.s. military has been preparing along these lines for some time,
giving itself offensive military options to deal with a capability like this as well as defensive options. but again, multiple officials telling us that this is an assessment in the u.s. intelligence community that north korea has an untested capability of putting a miniaturized nuke on top of an chiej intercontinental ballistic missile, ask brooke, that is not an insignificant step forward. >> what do you make of the timing of the news, jim? this is just after that unanimous u.n. vote that trump was touting on over the weekend, that they slapped north korea with crippling sanctions. >> reporter: this is a measure of just the growing urgency that the u.s., that its allies in the region, japan, south korea, but also u.s. adversaries if you want to call them that, china and russia, seeing north korea making progress really unchecked progress, that's one reason why
you had these sanctions put into place, sanctions that will be costly not just to north korea but also to china, really north korea's only partner in the region to some degree. so, that urgency has been growing and if you go back to the transaction, brooke, you'll remember, when barack obama was briefing then-president-elect trump, the one national security threat that he highlighted at that time was north korea, saying this is going to be the one that's going to be at the top of your list during your term, and that warning appears to be bearing out. of course, that wasn't just coming from president obama. it was coming from the intel agencies, military commanders, el et cetera, so a significant assessment here, not a final assessment, not a consensus one, but certainly a significant one as north korea continues to make progress. >> so maybe there's a test, again, i still am hearing your not if but when, what would provoke kim jong un to hit the button? >> reporter: this is the thing. if you look at this, this is something that kim jong un knows that the u.s. and the west would
respond with just devastating force. so, that would be, in effect, a suicidal move. that said, all these things are built on escalation, and kim jong un, you'll often hear, brooke say, well, is he sane, is he a crazy man. the fact is, the people who know north korea best say that these are rational, yet shocking, moves by the north korean regime, that this is really their -- they view it as their only defense, their only means of survival. so, the idea that north korea would launch one unprovoked on the u.s. seems out there, unless it was part of a broader escalation, because kim jong un, as crazy as he may seem, it's certainly been made clear to him that the response would be devastating in reaction. but then again, listen, as things potentially escalate, neither side necessarily has control as to when those escalating steps happen. and that's the concern here. >> all right.
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the intel agencies, is that correct? >> that's correct. they tend to be a little bit more aggressive in their analyses than some of the other intelligence units, but as you and jim sciutto discussed, it really is a question of when not if the north koreans are going to acquire the ability. >> so flat out, how worrisome is this report? >> of course it's worrisome, but this is a punch that the north koreans have been telegraphing now for more than half a century. we knew that they were working on nuclear weapons, we knew that they were working on ballistic missiles. they've gotten help from overseas entities as well. it's a very serious threat that poses risk to the continental united states but also to our allies in the region. >> how tenuous is the situation over there? how necessary, how dire is the need to deconflict before any side might be provoked to do something more forceful?
>> well, two ways of looking at it. one is take a look at the south korean and japanese stock markets over the last six months. they've gone up. the commercial sector there is not spooked, is not as worried as we sometimes tend to be. it's not infallible, but it's an interesting metric to look at. secondly, it all depends on whether you think the north koreans are rational or not, something you just discussed. and that's important because then it really comes down to whether or not they can be deterred. or for the past 60-plus years, the united states and our allies have been able to deter north korea. they haven't had the capabilities that they're now acquiring, but if you think they're rational, then they should be deterrable, as jim sciutto said, they're not suicidal. this regime wants to survive. >> you've been at the table with them, sir. hang on. on that thought. are they deterrable, given the fact that you have been at the negotiating table with the north koreans? >> i believe they are.
but again, deter them from doing what, when. deter them from launching a second korean war? we've been very successful at that. deter them from launching nuclear weapons? i believe that we can be successful if we have the right defense posture and communications strategy. deter them from creating mischief? no. deter them from selling narcotics around the world or exporting ballistic missile technology? no. we haven't been successful. but on this existential issue of nuclear weapons, i believe that we can be. but i understand some people might not agree with that. >> but mr. ambassador, if you say that this is something that they have been working on for years and years and years, and we talk about this, you know, miniaturized nuclear warhead and the capability and the icbms and all the tests we've been seeing, why would they not want to show it off? >> well, i think they do want to show it off, which is why they've been testing it. it's why they've been communicating it. they want to deter what they see
as an existential threat from us to their regime. and so they believe, to the extent that we understand their thinking, that they live in a hostile neighborhood and they need these weapons in order to survive. they look at saddam hussein, at qaddafi and they say, that's not going to be us. we're going to survive for another day. >> mr. reiss, thank you so much for spending the time with me. to be continued. we'll have more conversations on north korea, i'm sure. let's continue on. >> thank you, brooke. >> thank you. we have more news here out of north korea. we'll stay on that. but also, these new numbers out today, with regard to the white house. you heard this? three quarters of americans don't believe a word coming out of this current administration. these new poll numbers, just what the president responded to over twitter. also ahead, how's this for a line? may you die in pain. yes. that was actually voiced at one
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the house health care plan that would have dropped 24 million people from coverage. and he's not the only republican taking heat here on vacation. you have congressman doug of california hammered by angry voters at his town hall last night. one voter even shouted out, "may you die in pain." my next guest was in the room when those words were uttered. she joins me live. ann, thank you so much for being with me. i mean, you were in the room. you heard someone actually say that to this member of congress. what was that like, hearing that? >> well, i was shocked by that, and that was not the tone of the town hall at all. most people -- everyone else, except for that man, were very respectful, and there were many people in the audience who held up red cards saying they disagreed with that comment. and so that was not what the -- the main tone of the town hall was very civil. >> that's good to hear. and you were there for a very
personal reason. you lost your son, william, to an opioid overdose in june of 2015. he was all of 19 years of age. can you tell me a little bit about him and what happened? >> well, he's a great boy. very sensitive boy. he loved "harry potter," horseback riding, and playing his guitar. you know, he just fell into marijuana first, and i think i was naive, and i want people out there to know that, you know, he was raised in a good family. i'm a teacher, so the face of the opioid crisis is me. it's your neighbor. it's not other people. you know, it's your teacher's child. it's everywhere. and it's just -- i was there to ask the congressman not to strip the essential benefits that cover treatment for addiction and mental health out of the health care bill. >> so, what would you say, lastly, just to president trump.
i know he's meeting with his health and human services secretary, tom price, today, specifically on the opioid crisis in america. what would you say to the president, just so he would -- so he'd follow through on the words we heard from him on the trail. >> well, i think that most important thing he can do is to keep that essential benefit in the health care plan. people that receive treatment recover, and that's the good news. it's a long, hard process. it's a terrible disease. but treatment does work. >> i am so sorry about the loss of your son. just two years later, anne, i appreciate you coming on and speaking up. thank you. >> thank you for having me. we'll be taking the president's briefing that's happening in just a couple moments. meantime, just stunning new video showing a jogger pushing a woman into the path of an oncoming bus. we'll tell you what happened. also, the president has
president trump's 17-day working vacation at his new jersey resort is in full swing and he insists he will not be playing golf the entire time but since election day, the president has visited his golf resorts nearly one out of every four days. cnn takes a closer look at trump's frequent tee times. >> reporter: for president trump, golf is more than just a game. it's a way of life. it seems he'd rather entertain world leaders like japanese prime minister shinzo abe on the links than in the white house. and trump casual? it's not jeans and sneakers. it's khaki pants and golf shoes. even for a visit to tour the
u.s./mexico border as a candidate. in march, the president held a meeting with several cabinet secretaries at his course near washington, and he's spending a 17-day working vacation at his bedminster, new jersey, golf club, though he tweeted, this is not a vacation. meetings and calls. but also, golf. trump in a clear state of play greeted guests of a wedding saturday at bedminster's clubhouse. all this time on the course, head scratching considering trump constantly hammered president obama for golfing. >> everything's executive order, because he doesn't have enough time, because he's playing so much golf. i'm going to be working for you. i'm not going to have time to go play golf. he played more golf last year than tiger woods. i love golf but i don't have time. i'm not going to be playing much golf, believe me. if i win this, i'm not going to be playing much golf. >> reporter: at this point in his presidency, obama had sent 11 days golfing. since taking office, trump has
visited his golf properties several days each month, 48 in total as of tuesday and counting. in 2012, trump criticized obama for playing mostly with close friends, tweeting, he should play golf with republicans and opponents. that way, maybe the terrible gridlock would end. as president, trump has not taken his own advice. he's played with senators, but only members of his own party. rand paul, back in april, and senator bob corker in june, joined by football great peyton manning. the president has teed it up with ceos and quite a few professional golfers, including ernie ells, david frost, and rory mcilroy, who revealed in february he played 18 holes with the president after now-white house press secretary sarah sanders told reporters trump had played only a couple of holes that day. the white house has tried to down play just how much golf trump plays and with whom, saying a trip to a golf course
doesn't mean he played. >> just because you go somewhere, doesn't necessarily mean that you did it. on a couple of occasions, he's conducted meetings there, had phone calls. so just because he heads there, doesn't mean that that's what's happening. >> reporter: but in the era of social media, even the walls of the country club have ears and eyes. on instagram in march, check out that presidential golf glove. and in june -- >> it's the only place you can drive on the green, right, your own golf course. >> reporter: busted on twitter breaking a cardinal rule of golf etiquette. but that's the norm, according to sports writer rick riley, who played with trump when he was writing his book "who's your caddy." >> it's like bringing your own ham to a great restaurant. it's just not done. it's the worst thing you can do. and he also parks his cart on the tee box. and when you ask him why, he says, hey, it's my course. >> reporter: trump has only visited courses he owns since becoming president. he has 17 from los angeles to the east coast to ireland, scotland, and the united arab
emirates. he takes as much pride in his courses as he does his game. so those trying to get on his good side do best to mention it. >> but here's what i tell you about the president. he's the most competitive person i've ever met. he sinks three-foot puts. >> reporter: short-lived communications director anthony scaramucci probably meant to say 30-foot puts. thr three-foot putts aren't that hard to make, especially when you take gimmes the trump way. >> most people give you a putt within the leather. he takes putts within a driver. he just -- like those long drivers. and it's just like, well, wait a minute, what about that putt you just took, and that moment is gone and he's -- now he's over here tipping some greens keepers, and then he's over here yelling at some people that are building his cart path. and it's madness. >> had a little fun putting that piece together. plays a pretty mean golf game herself, i might add, my friend.
so when rick riley played with him to write his book, did he tell you how good donald trump really is? >> reporter: it depends who you ask. that's what became clear. if you talk to donald trump, he's known to claim a handicap of 2.8, so that's really good golf. we're talking low 70s, mid 70s, regularly. but if you talk to people who have played with him, and we heard ernie els, has said that, you know, donald trump is more like an 8 or 9 so that's more like play in the 80s, which is still pretty good. nothing to fib about, and yet he does. >> in all seriousness, it's not cheap. nearly one in every four days me spends at one of thinks golf resorts so what does this mean for taxpayers. >> reporter: if you look at president obama golfing, he golfed less and frequently would do it at andrews air force base when it was a weekend at the white house. the cost here really has to do with the travel and donald trump is roughly out of town at one of
his golf properties in general about half the time. so, it's very expensive, and right now, he's, you know, in terms of what taxpayers are paying, he's costing several times in travel what president obama did. it's a lot. >> would you take him on? would you go a round of 18 just to see how he is. >> reporter: oh, sure. apparently he is very fun. it is sort of a circus to play with him. that's what we heard from rick riley. and he's just the consummate host. it's really something to behold. in fact, rick said he was trying to play a second day with donald trump and trump said to him, you really only need one day. it's enough. >> outstanding. thank you so much. thank you so much. >> you bet. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com